Wednesday, March 12, 2008

House fails to override Bush veto

Another disappointing and inexplicable (but not surprising) piece of news: House fails to override Bush's veto on a bill which would have effectively ruled out waterboarding and other sordid behaviors. 225-188. Not even close. Roll call here

What to do? The Republicans (and 3 Democrats) are so contemptible (only 8 passed party lines, 3 of which went the wrong way) that reasonable dialogue is becoming (or has it always been this way?) unreasonable to expect. Even on a no-brainer issue like torture, we become embroiled in 'debate' and endless negotiations. The news media is of little use, as is evidenced by the fact that there is virtually no coverage of this important vote (to be fair, the Spitzer mess is pushing everything to the margins).

The very idea of a sphere of public discourse, thought to be a model of our democracy, is wrongheaded. We have to conceive of new ways of achieving the public good.

3 Comments:

Anonymous said...

But who decides what "the public good" is? You? Me? Another person with a different idea than either one of us? Just because things don't go the way you think or want or know they should go does not mean it's a bad thing.

Matias Bulnes said...

Torture is going to turn out to be part of the public good despite what we believe??? Give me a break.

MT Nguyen said...

Are you suggesting that knowledge is irrelevant? If I know that things should go a certain way, then that's strong reason to think that it's a bad thing when things don't go that way. Which part of that do you deny?

Obviously, wanting US agencies to stop torturing people is not like wanting a piece of candy. I'm not just sulking because things didn't go the way I wanted. To conflate the two is just to be complacent in the face of vicious government policies.

Now, I'm not claiming to know that permitting torture is wrong, but among all the political beliefs I have, that's one I have most confidence in. Are you denying that permitting torture is wrong? Is there a good reason why 188 members of congress voted to support waterboarding? Please tell me the reason, for I would love to know it.

As it stands, and this is related to the topic of a public discourse, all we are ever presented with is alarmist claims about how _______[fill in your favorite alarmist message] will happen if we do not give the CIA carte blanche. Can we have a reasonable discussion with persons (are they even inviting anyone to a conversation?) who see that as a reason to permit waterboarding? Where does such a conversation start?

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